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Not long ago I was asked to give a feedback on sleep school app experience. The major theme of my feedback was lack of forum where people could discuss ACT experience and issues. I indicated multiple times in my feedback that lack of community and platform for discussing ACT experience likely turns away many people who try ACT, don’t understand it completely and abandon it. It might be me, turning away from ACT, if I didn’t witness Deb’s positive experience and got moral support here. Thank you all for your support.
I suggested in my feedback to sleep school that they may want to increase app subscription rate to cover the costs of forum development and maintenance and perhaps cost of having a specialist who comminates with the patients on forum on daily basis. I even think that I should drop the same message into Dr Lederle Skype.Deb,
Your acceptance attitude does sound like a soft paradoxical intention. Paradoxical intention refers to falling asleep while aiming to stay awake. Your description helps substantially, thank you.
One thing that puzzled me after my talk to sleep doctor is that I told her, that when I can’t sleep, I tell myself that I still well be ok next day. And I thought I was accepting. But she said that I was programming myself and enduring not accepting. That puzzled my a lot after our talk, but your description of acceptance Deb, helps to understand the difference. I think it helps.
I would like to take a moment and say special thanks to Martin, the owner of the platform for allowing us to discuss ACT here. This forum is virtually the only place in the internet with heartwarming support for insomnia. Although Martin himself is a CBTI coach and proponent, he was kind enough to allow people, many of which are not his clients, to discuss ACT here. Thank you Martin.
Deb,
Thank you again for all your insight. Leap of faith is a good description for accepting the insomnia.
Borgesbi,
You can drop me your contacts to varabajba at Gmail. It is my spare email that I never use. I don’t care if spammers find this email from this forum.
Borgesbi,
Is it possible to get in contact with you outside of this forum? You have way more experience with mindfulness and I really would like your input. I think I overthink do much and still don’t understand a lot. Ideally I would like to talk over Skype sometime if you don’t mind. Thank you.
After thinking more about my consultation with the sleep doctor, I realize I still often struggle not accept. The key to falling asleep is to have relaxed attitude to being awake, but it is still very difficult at times. I can accept anxiety by feeling what it really is (heart pounding, muscle tension), but just recognizing that I am still awake at night is not comfortable without physical sensations. How to accept it and be comfortable with it? Please advise. Thank you.
I am mostly just silently noticing that a familiar thought is here. It’s more energy efficient for me to just notice a thought briefly sometimes without giving enough attention to recall its name. I’d say for me they are all just thoughts. You can abbreviate them all as SRT: sleep-related thought.
Mac,
In the Guy Meadows book, this thought is nicknamed ‘sabotage’ thought. Perhaps, your should read the book that we are discussing here.
Strangely, I subscribed to this thread but NEVER had any updates. Maybe because I am not a client, I don’t know.
Deb, I think it is similar to my case, I need to catch myself in attempt of doing something for sleep to happen, even my excessive attempts of doing nothing!
I submitted a claim to my HSA, but I don’t think they will approve, since they wanted me to indicate the resident state for the business I paid to. Well, I indicated my state with the sleep school address, we will see how they react to London, WA.
I think I need to recognize urges and attempts to apply control and mental efforts at night, instead of just letting everything be. I need to learn to step away from the control panel in my head during the night time.
It’s 150 gbp (~$183). She’s is in London, so the sessions are scheduled within their work time. For me the choices were from 12 am to 10am in my local time, (Pacific time zone). I chose 8am, it was 4 pm in London. For booking, I simply followed the link in their app, and there you can see availability schedule. I think she is only available on Thursdays in September.
I won’t schedule anything for now, since I need to work on what she suggested for a while.I wanted to say that people that are trying to implement ACT, and not getting results, should book a session with Dr Katharina Lederle from the sleep school. She is great! I was going to ask her some more of questions that I prepared in advance, but instead we went deep into my particular case, trying to figure out what it is exactly that holds me awake. Katharina is amazing, she listens carefully and asks the right questions to figure out what exactly is person’s particular sleep issue. In my case it is not anxiety anymore, it is too much focus on staying calm and feeling sensations. I could figure it out myself eventually by reading the book over an over again, but I think I might give up on ACT earlier. While not learning anything new about ACT and mindfulness during the session, I learned what I am doing wrong when using them. ACT is easy and difficult at the same time, it’s a bit tricky. You really need to learn to recognize what is going in the present moment. I found that I still need to do more work on recognition.
