[Paras]

Any further luck in getting deeper sleep at night?

I tried keeping my sleep window to 4 hours without applying SC- from 12:30am to 4:30-am. What happens is that I get very light sleep and when I wake up at 4:30 I’m so tired I’ve been coming out of my bedroom and coming down but lying on my couch for the next few hours as my body is so exhausted… so complete failure last two days doing this. I’m gonna try again tonight.

How do you stay awake as soon as you wake up after only 4 hour sleep window? What do you do to keep yourself awake?

It’s crazy but our definition of tired is so distorted compared to A normal persons definition of tired. Wow our minds or nervous systems are that hyperaroused That night after night of only light sleep doesn’t make our bodies shut down. But since you said The 4 hour sleep window worked for you I’m keeping my hopes up…that if I could do the 4 hour window and stay awake, in a couple of days I’ll eventually pass out and reset the clock.

I talked to my psychologist about CBti and he said give it a try – it may or may not work. It may work if your Main issue is that your brain is associating wakefulness with the bed. It may not work if you have another underlying psychological / mental issue.

Have you tried meds at all? I’ve tried the ambien, and Lunesta with no luck so CBT-I is my only hope.

Also are you in school or go to work? If so how do you handle such things?

I’m currently looking for a job but am not successfully able to complete the process as my physically and mental capabilities are really low due to sleep exhaustion.

Physically I feel like my body is never relaxed as I’m only always trying to fight the fatigue. Mentally I feels like my cognitive functioning is low and my brain is fogged up- but wired at the same time- but can’t do too much of intellectual activities.

In a real bind here..let’s see what happens.

[Paras]

I have the same exact problem. The hours I spend in bed (without SC) I’m awake trying to sleep and towards the tail end of the night / early morning – I get very light sleep and then I am totally awake for the day. The light sleep is so light I sometimes know what I am dreaming or thinking.

Not getting into a deep sleep state is scary It’s like the brain has forgotten how to do this. I’ve had this for about 1 year now. I have trouble both falling asleep And waking up early. I get both tired and fatigued throughout day but am wired as soon as I hit the bed.

I’m thinking the same thing- the light sleep is coming in the way. That’s why I’m debating whether to do SC and avoid the light sleep and just get more exhausted if I can’t sleep.

I also understand how you can not do SC and just be consciously awake in bed although that may associate the bed with being awake.

Although I kinda agree that to keep doing SC every 30 mins and getting out of bed when the Sleep window is already short is crazy.

I guess just gotta keeping going at it and one day the exhaustedNess will lead to the deep state of sleep you eventually experienced.

I wish there was another easier way but looks like there isn’t. Meds don’t work for me either and are poison in the end anyway.

What a crazy disease and predicament to be in where you are unable to function normally both mentally and physically without deep sleep

[Paras]

Thank you for your feedback.

Sorry to hear about for father. I truly wish that he gets cured of his disease and am praying for him.

During your 3.5-4 hour sleep window how much are you actually sleeping and how many times do you get up because you’re applying stimulus control?

I’m the same as you. First night, sleep window was 5 hours without stimulus control. Second night was still 5 hours and I applied stimulus control. I got up a few times out of bed because I wasn’t able to sleep and basically got zero sleep. Only my second night and it feels like hell going through the next day. How many days in total did it take for you to finally go to sleep?

Also when applying stimulus control because we can’t look at the clock I’m having trouble determining after how long I should get up when in bed and can’t sleep. After how long do you get up if you can’t sleep while in bed? How do you even determine the time if you’re not suppose to look at clock?

Looks like I don’t have a choice except to follow This as the sleep is bad either way.

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