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November 27, 2018 at 5:10 am in reply to: Trouble sleeping some nights out of the blue any advice? #24172kobalap✘ Not a client
Have you read all the wonderful information that is available in this website and in the internet in general about how sleep works?
In your case, it sounds like you had/have extremely poor sleep hygiene. That is one place to start. Check out this page:
November 23, 2018 at 4:18 am in reply to: Jerking self awake when falling asleep / hypnic jerks? #24139kobalap✘ Not a clientHi Pam,
There is no need to try to be not anxious. Your body is behaving in a way that is unfamiliar to you. And you don’t know why. Its perfectly natural for you to to be anxious. In fact, believe it or not, even your inability to sleep from time to time is perfectly natural. Its an evolutionary trait. It’s what kept our ancestors from being eaten by a sabre tooth tiger.
You don’t have sfi or ffi or whatever other fi’s. There are millions of us who have had a similar “cant sleep and its real bad” experience you described. Don’t worry. There is help available
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November 23, 2018 at 2:39 am in reply to: Jerking self awake when falling asleep / hypnic jerks? #24137kobalap✘ Not a clientHi Pam,
I am a newbie here too though I have some experience dealing with sleep issues too.
What I would recommend is to not force sleep. That is, don’t try to take a nap at random hours during the day simply because you were unable to sleep last night. Your body should be set such that it is ready for sleep at night. Even though you missed sleep last night, I would suggest that you attempt to sleep during your usual bed time.
Trying to force sleep, particularly outside of your body’s usual sleep time, is counter productive. In fact, as you are seeing for yourself, it is quite frustrating when you do not succeed. And even if you do succeed, you might throw off your body clock and perhaps causing you to not sleep the following night.
Chances are, this is a short term thing and you will get your sleep straightened out pretty quickly. In any case, the forum host will be by shortly should you have need for more detailed information.
kobalap✘ Not a clientAs to my goals – in no particular order:
- Although I have had considerable success with CBTi in dealing with insomnia that was triggered by tinnitus, I still have the occasional “relapse”. I guess when one goes on a long streak of success, one gets greedy. And then when one stumbles, the resulting disappointment can tend to be disproportionate. I’ve been looking for a place to participate in positive discussions related to CBTi. As a source of affirmation that while there is the occasional stumble, that things have been and continue to get better. I know it sounds strange that I seek affirmation but the first time around when I had “simple” primary insomnia, the process was a lot easier. Once I got through the first 4 months or so, it was pretty much smooth sailing. This time around, insomnia has been a little stickier.
- Occasionally, the limits of my knowledge (sample subject of only one (me)) are tested. For example, while I implement stimulus control, I am trying to learn how to balance getting out of bed on a bad night vs. giving myself ample time to fall asleep. Also, looking for tips on what to while waiting for sleep to happen. So far, the only technique that has given me consistent results is imagery. I’ve tried deep breathing with not very good results. I haven’t really done PMR but I wonder how effective that would be as a sleep initiation tool.
- Although not necessarily a benefit for my sleep, I am hoping that the successes I have experienced can give encouragement to others. I know that when I went through insomnia the first time around, I was very skeptical of the supposed efficacy of CBTi. Maybe someone will read about my experiences and find some benefit. Even if it is only to read that someone indeed became a normal sleeper again using CBTi.
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kobalap✘ Not a clientTo tell you about my goals, I first need give a history of my sleep. My first reply will be my sleep history.
About 12 years ago, I came down with a case of chronic primary insomnia (no other health related issues). Well, honestly, I have sleep apnea also to some degree but my problem was that not being able to fall asleep and it was in my head. I was fortunate to find a sleep clinic in my area and they helped me with CBT for insomnia. It took a while but after several months, I was sleeping pretty well. Not as long as I would have liked but deeper than before. I kept at it month after month and after about 3-4 years, I was pretty much a normal sleeper again. I even travelled internationally and was able to manage 12 hour time zone differences using the principles learned in CBTi.
Life was good all around but in particular, sleep wise.
Then about a year ago, I came down with severely intrusive tinnitus. One of the most common complaints for people with tinnitus is sleep disturbance. I think you could appreciate that having a cricket in your ear making noise 24 hours a day would cause sleep disturbance. And after a few nights struggling for sleep, well, its no longer just the cricket but the tired, anxiety, and no relief in sight. Life was hell.
Tinnitus has no cure. For many, there are no therapies that give even the slightest of symptom relief. Sound therapies are helpful for some, for others, not so much. The only hope for those with severe/intrusive tinnitus is what they call habituation. Basically, it is a subconscious process wherein your brain learns that the sounds in your head are not threatening/dangerous. Then eventually, you react less and less. Less fear, less anxiety and then eventually, return to normal life. That is the hope anyway. The vast majority of people with tinnitus habituate in 6-18 months.
For me, I didn’t think I would last 6 months. That’s a long time to be in hell. After all, who could go 6 months of 2 hours of sleep every night and waking up in panic attacks because you know no relief is in sight?
However, I was armed with a pretty powerful weapon – I am veteran when it comes to insomnia and in my bag, I had sleep restriction. I set up a sleep window. I also found a night time routine where I could escape the worries of tinnitus. The tinnitus would still be there but I set up time every night where I could sit on the couch waiting for my bed time. I found about 2 hours a day of relief from worry.
As the days went on, I was finding that I would have 2 or 3 nights of ok sleep and then a bad night. And 2 or 3 more nights of ok sleep and then another bad night. On days after a good sleep, I would feel so much better. And of course, after a bad night, the fear and anxiety would return. But I kept at it.
So, its almost a year now. And in general, I have been sleeping a ton better. For example, I recently had a run of 2 weeks of good sleep and then a bad night then followed by 16 days of good sleep. By “good” I mean asleep in less than 10 minutes and woken up by my alarm clock (6 hour sleep window).
I glanced at a few of the posts here and I think one thing some members ask – does CBTi work? I am not a professional but I will say emphatically, absolutely. It worked like a charm for me when I had primary insomnia. And my experience in the past almost 1 year of having intrusive tinnitus is that, it helps you sleep better even with tinnitus. So much so that when I am on one of those 2 week runs of good sleep, I could even envision a day when I would be a normal sleeper again, despite the tinnitus.
And though tinnitus is still there and “intrusive”, after a good night’s sleep, I feel a lot better equipped to deal with it. I don’t really know what habituation is like. But as long as I can get decent sleep, tinnitus is less and less of a nuisance.
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