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Yes I’ve been struggling for 3 years that’s since 2021 getting light shallow sleep and tried many things including sleep restriction and now not making an issue of my sleep which isn’t doing much either.
My sleep regimen prior to 2023 consisted mostly of sleep restriction approach where during the day I would be active and I practiced meditation to burn off stress hormones, at night I would wind down for an hour or so and go to bed, my sleep window was 6 hours there were a few times I got sleep but they were few and far between.
Hi Vicmango7 I’m Jess I lost the password and couldn’t sign in anymore with that username for whatever reason, but I check up on this site from time to time so yes if you want to talk maybe
it would be better on a private message although I don’t think that’s available as I’ve already looked for it and never saw the option.frogstar1234: Yes its perplexing and I’m bewildered as to what is going on with my sleep, the only thing I can think of is to try as much to not make it an issue as I never complained or thought much about sleep before, also I find it nearly impossible to wake up on time to start my day because I’m stuck in a sleep stage as I only begin to fall asleep 3 hours before I have to wake up, one thing I have stopped doing is looking for a result because every time I do that
it never happens.I’ve tried so many things and I guess these would be considered sleep efforts which Martin says are keeping the struggle going as your brain must stay alert to monitor for the result of the effort. I kept a journal of my day and sleep for 2 months and basically just found out that
I was living the same day over and over with nothing really progressing, so I abandoned it.I am at the point where keeping everything simple seems like what I should be doing, going to bed basically at the same time every night and its very important to get up if my sleep feels light and go back to bed only when I feel tired the key is getting up no matter how fatigued I am that’s the struggle. I really don’t know what else can be done because my sleep is shallow and unrefreshing and I’ve tried all nighters that have had some success but its really hard on my body and mind the only thing left is to abandon all of the efforts.
Hello Bat97 I also get light sleep even after being awake for long periods of time, I don’t get it either because I get lots of exercise and it seems that all the conditions for sleep drive are there yet still no deep sleep.
Hello Kiki I read most of your replies and story about what you’re going through and I’m experiencing the same thing 100%. I too practice sleep restriction to the point of getting like 2 hours a night and the next day I get a little rest during a 30 minute nap, also get exercise by doing long walks in the park and just try to stay active throughout the day yet my results are the same day after day and it seems my sleep never reaches a deep state, there’s only been a few times one was a trip to Niagara Falls months back where the second night at the hotel I never took melatonin and was up the whole night lying in bed and got up the next morning my brother drove us 3 hours to get home and after being home for an hour I began to feel sleepy and did a nap where I reached deep sleep for 5 minutes which was incredible.
Another time I had an important test to take and the night before I was so wired subconsciously that I never got a minute of sleep and canceled the test but the next day got deep sleep again, in these two examples it was me going without literal sleep for 30 hours that led to the deep sleep the following day, now this is the sort of thing that experts say not to do and that changing your thoughts and feelings around sleep is the key which I agree with but only partially because acceptance alone cannot provide deep sleep in my experience, I can only share what my experience has been and the times my arousal system has been overcome enough to get deep sleep has been in those very situations.
In those times of going over 24 hours without sleep I wasn’t voluntarily trying to stay awake and when I have tried to voluntarily stay awake to replicate those previous times it was extremely difficult. By 5 am I start having micro sleeps but still the few times I’ve done this manually I’ve gotten the same result of getting deep sleep during a nap, it’s really insane to think that is what it would take to reset the sleep system and not something I look forward to but I’ve been doing all the other sleep advice for insomnia for the last 3 years with minimal results. It seems that the CBT-I and this is just my opinion only works for people that have less extreme cases of insomnia and arousal again just my observation from going through this now for 4 years.
I have the same problem it feels as though I don’t sleep very deeply at anymore,sleep now feels very shallow,next month I’m gonna try to get my dr to set up a sleep study but then the important thing will be what’s there to do about it because if I’m just gonna be put on sleep pills that’s pretty useless to me.
Really don’t appreciate your unfounded accusations based on ignorance,I came here in the hopes of finding someone who could maybe identify with the problem of light shallow sleep but instead got you immediately discouraging me from even seeking help here kind of ridiculous considering that the site is for support and help not to be talked down to
by another poster that seems to think they know it all and have all the quick fixes yet is constantly on here which would suggest they haven’t made any progress themselves but still insist on telling all the other posters how easy it all is and how if you do A,B and C you’ll be fine.Also one last thing flooding the site as I said long time lurker first time poster pretty ironic that the one person that is constantly on here and replies to literally every other topic in the most condescending way is accusing a new first time poster of flooding the site lol.
Point is I came here looking for people in the same situation as myself to exchange ideas not be supportive not be given a lecture by someone that from the sounds of it haven’t gotten over their own sleep issues.
Well I don’t consider them experts if all they can do is push sleep pills and that has been their one and only approach which is lazy but not surprising to me,I came here because at least
there are people suffering from the very same issue and maybe there will be someone who maybe spots something I’m not seeing,its very hard for someone as doctors to under stand what a chronic insomnia condition is like if they haven’t experienced it themselves because I’m not talking about one or two nights of bad sleep this is repeated nights of the very same thing.As for the light sleep I know simply for many reasons one of which is I’m awake for most of the night in a semi awake state but that’s not the point even if I had a sleep study and it said I’m sleeping deeply what does it matter if I fatigued all day and have no energy it can say whatever it wants but I know if I was getting deep restorative sleep that my energy levels
would be up.Also one question do you suffer from chronic sleep problems like getting to sleep or waking
in the middle of night because I’ve been a long time lurker on here and have seen you reply to many topics people have started and advice you’ve given people of just accepting and letting
go but was wondering if you were a regular posters that is suffering or someone that has overcame the sleep disorder and is more of a coach just curious.
