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You should get up at the same time each day regardless of how long you slept. This way you are able to build sleep drive so you get sufficiently sleepy at your regular bedtime. Your sleep drive depends on the amount of hours spent awake continously, ideally you want to go to bed after at least 16-17 hours awake. Best wishes to you…Perhaps it’s best to consult your doctor on this. I doubt anyone here can dispense medical advice without a physical evaluation. Maybe you have an underlying health condition that’s causing your sleeplessness. Good luck!
Greetings Jacob
I’m not going to write a long post because I’m giving this issue way more attention than it needs to. But briefly, before this, how were you sleeping and did you have the same “problems” you described like noise etc and yet have no trouble sleeping because you weren’t even thinking about it? If yes, then they are not the problem, your mindset about sleep is! In many ways than not, actively trying to solve something that is beyond your control becomes the problem. I’m sorry I can’t help you any further, I doubt anyone can! Best wishes to you.Greetings Dlupu!
5 years can’t sleep?? That is impossible, so you must mean not sleeping well for 5 years. Yet there you still are, alive and still able to come on here, type something and share your problem in a forum. What more proof do you want that not sleeping well can’t hurt you?? Forget about sleep and you will start sleeping well again, just get into and out of bed at regular times and stop obessesing over it, your cure is as simple as that! Your insomnia isn’t the problem, but you thinking it as a problem becomes the problem, get it??Greetings Hbhigg!
Excellent insight there. You are slowly getting there!
Insomnia is really not a problem. Seeing it as a problem becomes the problem. Realising this is the key to overcoming insomnia and build sleep confidence.Going forward, if you want to sleep more, get off any form of sleep tracking and go completely timeless where you don’t know how much you slept. This gesture is a powerful act of giving up control. Set it and forget it. You go to bed at X and get out at Y. What happens in between in regards to sleep you don’t care nor figure out anything about. Best wishes…
“How could i? Sleeping 3 – 5 hours per night isnt much normal for me” – Try not view sleep in terms of duration but more on quality. Be completely okay with how much you slept and try not to think too much about the hours. Avoid clock watching when you wake up during the night, resist the urge to calculate how much you slept because that only makes your mind more obesessed. Go completely timeless where you don’t know how long you slept. Just set an alarm, and all you know is the alarm hasn’t gone off and therefore you should lay in your comfy bed and try to sleep (if your body allows it) because the conditions are right for sleep. Or if you are anxious because you can’t sleep, then get up and do something you enjoy.
“I am going to bed, when i feel sleepy, but maybe, if i start going ot bed later, i will wake up later too.” – That is almost always true, if you go to bed later, you will tend to wake up later too. For now, just go back to bed when you become awake and try to believe you are a normal sleeper the best you can. If you think you are abnormal or something is wrong with you, then it starts becoming true. The story you tell about your sleep becomes self-fulfilling. Actively try to seek evidence you can sleep, like if you could sleep after waking up, even just 5 mins, then it is proof that nothing is wrong with you. Then as that 5 mins turn into 10,15,30,45 mins, your confidence will improve and you start sleeping more and waking less. Be patient because recovery won’t happen overnight. Best wishes to you…
Greetings Jacob!
“Like i know light sleep is part of the normal sleep, but i feel i have more of it then normal.” So you don’t believe you are normal? Yet? I think this is where your problem lies. You don’t have 100% sleep confidence and sleeping well naturally is all about your own confidence or a lack of it. Continue to do nothing for sleep, keep to regular bedtimes and slowly build your confidence to sleep normally one step at a time. Don’t go down the rabbit hole of trying endless things to chase more deep sleep in your case. Truly believe in yourself that your body will give you the sleep you need. Be patient because nobody can consciously or actively control how much deep sleep they get in the same way as you can’t control your digestion after eating.Greetings!
What you described sounds very similar to hyperarousal. Hyperarousal can manifest in many forms like anxiety/stress (from fear of not sleeping well, job, finances, relationship, loss of loved one etc), curiousity (like after doing something to sleep such as taking a pill where your mind starts becoming active, monitoring for results or whether you are falling asleep successfully) or excitement (such being parent for the first time, winning a jackpot lottery, starting a new job, moving to a new place or to a new house etc). All of these can lead to hyperarousal which can delay/mask sleepiness.Hello Jacob
What is your age? Are you a retired person? Older people above 60 tend to sleep less. Most people sleep for around 6 hours anyway. If you are waking up after several hours of sleep, it just means your sleep drive is less because it’s been depleted after sleeping. It is also very normal to have lighter and rem sleep as the night goes on. This part of sleep is characterized by more frequent awakenings (most people get up to use the toilet), a lot of dreaming going on and if you are a young male, lots of morning erections too! Nothing can restore sleep drive except wakefulness. When you wake up in the early mornings, are you anxious/edgy/frustrated?Hello Jacob
What time do you get up every morning? Are you frequently sleeping in, snoozing your alarm and/or getting out of bed at irregular times? As someone who recovered totally from insomnia, I must stress getting into and out of bed at REGULAR times is very important. That alone is 75-80% of the work. The other is right mindset, aka, self confidence (believing you can sleep) and spending less time in bed if necessary to build sleep drive. Normal human beings need at least 16 hours of wakefulness to generate 8 hours of sleep. Try to figure out yours and calculate are you going to bed after at least this amount of time spent awake? If not, you must first establish your out of bed time and always get out of bed at this time, regardless of how sleepy you are or how you slept. Try to initially spend at least 18 hours awake continuously then slowly reduce that to 17, 16 hours by going to bed earlier in 15 min intervals, while keeping your out of bed time the same. Keep doing that until you arrive at your desired sleep duration. When doing this, be patient and persevere even during bad nights because your body will need time to respond to a new bedtime schedule. There will be bad night(s) after a string of good nights, not reacting strongly to them and sticking to the plan is key to success. Good luck!Hello everyone
Thank you for your kind posts and I am flattered. I am just sharing the universal truths about sleep. If yo have the time, do please check out the video “Cure chronic insomnia with the effortless sleep method” by Yousquared in Youtube, based on the book “The effortless sleep method” by Sasha Stephens. Short 10 min video but full of very useful info on how to get over your current dilemma. In that video, the 5 key mistakes most “insomniacs” do are:
1. Asking your doctor for sleeping pills or being given some by doctors who absolutely don’t understand sleep.
2. Trying really hard to sleep.
3. Calling yourself an “insomniac”, which reinforces the idea that there’s something wrong with you.
4. Endlessly researching for a cure and trying one tip after another.
5. Believing in false statements.Hello TIA
If you want to sleep well, my advice is get off sleep monitoring or tracking of ANY kind. It won’t help you to sleep better in future and whatever tracking purportedly done, whether accurate or not, is already past. It causes unnecessary anxiety because you then try to “DIY” stuffs and that starts you down the rabbit hole of doing endless sleep efforts and chasing sleep. Just trust your own body. It knows what it’s doing. Sleep is really passive, it doesn’t respond to effort of any kind, mental or physical. The more you obesses over it, the worse it tends to get.Hello Anmareta
I did the course for the full eight weeks. I was sleeping better on week 1 already which got me excited but I kept adjusting my sleep window because I was chasing sleep. The thirst for further improvement made me regress a bit by week 8. I had one completely sleepless night in week 8 so I was like, why is this happening all over again? Only then, I realised I was still anxious about sleep, was doubting my own ability and still doing quite a bit of sleep efforts like all those breathing/relaxation/yoga exercises, downloading a ton of sleeping apps on my phone and organising my day around the insomnia. I now realise where I went wrong, all that stuffs I was doing was only reinforcing the insomnia by giving it too much attention and by doing other stuffs I was actually hurting my own confidence. I now think of sleep as just a biological process, which to me, happens after being awake for 16 hours and waking up during the night is normal. As I removed the efforts one by one, my confidence steadily improved then my sleep improved even further. Now I have complete confidence in myself and know my body will let me sleep after being awake for 16 sometime 15 hours and haven’t had a single sleepless night in months. I go to bed expecting to sleep and always get it, sometimes even more than I wanted. For me, sleep is all about confidence in yourself, if you believe and think like a normal sleeper, then you will sleep like one.
Hello Jaran!
Sleep inertia is the initial grogginess upon awakening in the morning. Everyone gets it and it usually goes away within a few minutes or shortly after exposure to sunlight or any lights in the house. If you are sleep deprived, it hangs around for longer.My sleep has improved further since I wrote that post. I am now sleeping straight for at least 7.5 hours per night and can sleep up to 9 hours, if I just refuse to get up from bed and stay in. Hang in there. You will get there as you dismantle your misconcepted beliefs about your sleep one by one, until you are completely doing nothing for sleep, are sleeping great and your confidence to sleep naturally is absolute. To the point that you even laugh yourself silly for actually doing all that stuffs just to sleep! All the tools you need to sleep well are already within you. It is just misplaced in the midst of all that “falsehoods” spinned by your brain telling you something which is absolutely false but which you amazingly chose to believe. All you need to do is put an end to all that noise and unleash the natural ability within you again. Good luck!
