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@ Chee – absolutely agree. Sleep is a time when the whole body recovers, gets rid of toxins and all that. It’s only logical to assume that a normal sleeper’s body and brain can handle more abuse than an insomniac’s body and brain.
@ Angel – living like you don’t have insomnia, i.e. ignoring it as much as you can, is the best thing you can do. This approach helped me with my first bout of insomnia a long time ago and the insomnia didn’t return for a long time after that. Glad to hear your sleep is improving.
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I think it’s a matter of semantics. In theory no, but it’s hard to measure.
Insomnia makes you more susceptible to heart attacks, strokes, epilepsy, depression and accidents. When one of those things happens (not saying it has to), the official COD will of course never state “insomnia”.
That’s why it’s especially important for us poor sleeoers to keep our other things in life in check (no smoking, no drinking,eating healthy…).
My grandfather was a terrible sleeper all his life, but otherwise lead a healthy life, and lived to be 84.
Thank you both for your responses, and especially Martin for even running this site. As far as I know, the only one of its kind, I hope you last.
As for this post, I have recovered since, the very next night was all right (about 6 hours). I’m sorry for whining, I just hate nights when I miss sleep completely, like I explained. I feel like I could die on those days and the fact that I can’t crash for an hour or two during the day really gets me down, not to mention makes me feel like I’m crazy. I doubt I will ever know why I can’t nap, is it a conditioned habit I developed sometime in my life, is it genetic, or something third. Doesn’t really matter in the long run, I guess.
The sleepless night that I described in the post happened the night before going on a romantic weekend with my wife, which bummed me out even more, but like I said the second day was all right.
Now I’m back to my usual early morning awakening insomnia. It’s harder for CBT to help in this scenario, that’s a different kettle of fish.
V is more of a crutch than anything else, the dose is so small it doesn’t really make a difference.
Anyway, thanks, I didn’t really expect a response (so many people with sleep problems posting, it’s a pandemic alongside the Covid one, except nobody talks about this one.)
That is a common complaint,but be persistent.
And I find it impossible to FALL asleep during the day, hard as I try and even if I missed the entire night before.
Funny how we all fight different things.
I’ll put something out there just so as to not leave you hanging, though I’m not sure what to say.
I’ve suffered from insomnia all my life. I’ve been through different variations of it, including a period of intense fear/dread of going to bed, or of the approaching night. That dread is not uncommon to anybody who ever had serious trouble sleeping.
Also, my insomnia started with a simple stupid thought just like yours, except my thought was “What if I don’t fall asleep tonight”. And voila, I didn’t.
And still can’t, only difference is now I’m struggling in different ways.
Anyway, back to your post – from what I understand, you don’t fear not being able to fall asleep, you fear not waking up once you do. I must confess I never heard of something like that, but you can’t be the only one, so somebody somewhere has gotten over it.
I’m guessing that this phobia means you are having trouble falling asleep (onset insomnia)?
Given that you must eventually fall sleep, what happens then? Can you maintain your sleep for as long as you need?
Did the clueless psych at least give you any suggestions on how to relax or some low-dose anti-anxiety drug for occasional relief?
For what it’s worth, my fear of sleep is long gone. I struggle with sleep maintenance now, which is a different thing altogether, but irrelevant for you case. The fear just sort of went away when I got tired of fighting it. But like I said, my reason for fear was different, so I don’t know.
I often go to work on 3,4,5 hours of sleeo, from time to time even on 0 hrs of sleep.
I pretend everything is fine though I don’t think I’m fooling anyone.
Still, it’s manageable, but it depends on the kind of work you do. What is the nature of the job you are about to start?
I think the best cure for insomnia is distraction, and work is a good tool for that. Also, it makes you tired which is a good thing.
Stress is a problem if you are the anxious type who can’t sleep due to obligations, worries etc. But very often the problem with sleeplessness is that the mind has “tasted” insomnia somewhere in the past and remembered it for good. When you’re left with fewer distractions, not many things to take the mind off of insomnia onto something else, the mind is free to focus on insomnia all it wants.
I often sleep better during work than I do during vacation. So I’m not surprised by what you have experienced, and I’m sure you are not alone in this.March 17, 2020 at 11:47 pm in reply to: Been battling chronic insomnia for two decades, desperate. #35973
Hello again, living_tribunal.
I wouldn’t say that I detest sleep, quite the opposite , I love sleep, I just wish I could get more of it. I hate the constant lack of sleep and especially nights with no sleep, which are, thank God, rare.
You’re right about our brains unable to turn off. In my case it’s not because I think about some external problem or obligation in my life, but because my mind is always at least a little bit too focused on whether it will fall asleep or not.
At least that was the case when my insomnia was mostly of the sleep-onset type. Now that my problem is sleep maintenance, I don’t really know what to think anymore.
“what I plan to do going forward is if I have a bad night on my normal dose, I need to stick it out. I need to never take more to ensure there are no hiccups.”
– Good plan, I hope it works. I’m in a similar situation and I manage to hold on till the next dose (though every time just barely). I sometimes take more than I should, but other times I don’t take any, so it evens out at the end of the month. They say we will all have to increase dosages in time due to resistance, but there are cases of people staying on the same dose for a very long time, why not hope we are one of those cases.
I don’t like being without pills, THAT makes me anxious. 🙂
Good luck!March 14, 2020 at 2:31 pm in reply to: Been battling chronic insomnia for two decades, desperate. #35944
” After I realized it was possible not to sleep, I didn’t.”
When I discussed the possible causes of insomnia on another forum some 10 years ago, I used pretty much the same words. I said that in my case insomnia is not the result of anxiety, depression or anything like that, but the simple REALIZATION I made as a kid that we can interrupt and ruin our sleep with nothing more than our own minds. I still maintain that if a hundred people, healthy people, were asked to give the phenomenon of sleep some serious thought, 50 of them would come back as insomniacs.
It is dangerous to think about sleep too much, and I admire sleep professionals who do this for a living and retain their good sleep.
I first realized that I don’t sleep like other people when I traveled as a kid with my family to vacations in buses, trains, cars and saw that no matter how much I try, I can’t fall asleep and had to stay awake the whole trip. Later I found out that I struggle to nap during the day while everyone else seemed to nap whenever they could, for instance after school, and enjoyed their naps a lot (who wouldn’t)! This insomnia never really went away, just changed from sleep onset to sleep maintenance after I stopped fearing sleep so much. Now I fall asleep relatively easily, but have trouble staying sleep. I too sleep 4-5 hours a night,with no naps during the day. But with the help of pills I sometimes manage to pull 6-6.5 hours.
I don’t have any real advice, only that I think you should stick to what works for you. If it’s pills, it’s pills. Anything is better than no sleep. As corny and dramatic as it sounds, no sleep really is no life. What made you tired of taking pills? What did your psychologist say about that and why do you feel they’re not taking you seriously? If so, can you change to another?
February 6, 2020 at 9:56 pm in reply to: what evidence is there that insomnia doesnt have serious health consequences #35422
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Just when I wanted to compliment you on your rationality and critical thinking, you go to some spiritual universe and whatnot. 🙂
Regardless, your question is on point. I’m also tired of hearing that lack of sleep has “no health consenquences”, as opposed to “no measurable health consequences”. Of course it does.
For one, lack of sleep (chronic) can lead to an increased risk of a heart attack, that much has been established. Also, it is one of the main triggers for epilepsy. So there are at least two conditions directly related to lack of sleep. Who knows how many others there are. I’m sure a stroke is somewhere among them as well.
It’s all a question of semantics, really. Once an insomniac gets, for instance, a heart attack, nowhere will it say on the chart that it was caused by “poor sleep”. Something more direct like a blockage will be listed as a cause, even though that blockage is the result of years of sleep deprivation.
Sleep deprivation hurts (I won’t say kills) veery slowly, so it goes under the radar.
Oh and that person claiming to sleep for only 1-3 hours? Doubt…
The silver lining is that you can curb some of the effects of poor sleep by being smart – eating right to keep your heart healthy for one.
Jesus, this is almost exactly like something I would write. My sleep window isn’t quite so limited like yours to one and a half hours, but the rest of my situation is identical to yours. I can only fall asleep at night,and only if I go to bed at proper time. Only I can handle going at midnight or even 1 a.m. But later than that, no.
And like I’ve complained multiple times here – I can’t nap either. No way, no how. Not even when I miss the entire night, I have to wait it out and try again the next night. It is infuriating.
I like how you described that you feel like your body is only able to fall asleep at that certain time. I feel the same way, my body can only sleep during the night, I swear it’s like some hormones or something are released then and only then. During the day I just don’t feel it, I am tired but not sleepy.
How long have you been like this?December 6, 2019 at 8:07 pm in reply to: A night of no sleep and being unable to nap – a recepy for disaster #34373
Thanks for your reply and advice, Martin,
Yes, I know staying in bed is a bad idea, I just couldn’t help it that morning of the original post.
I generally don’t have a problem getting out of bed at the same time every day since there are no sleep-ins and snoozes for me anyway.
The silver lining is that,yes, it at least helps to fall asleep at night most of the time.
December 4, 2019 at 7:42 am in reply to: A night of no sleep and being unable to nap – a recepy for disaster #34300
- This reply was modified 9 months, 3 weeks ago by Edgar.
Hi Marie and gsdmom,
Marie – worry led to my first big bout of insomnia in college. I was chosen for a really stressful presentation in front of the whole college plus some local writers. That was the first time I didn’t sleep a wink for two nights, I was useless at the presentation, and when it was finally over I went to sleep and slept for … 3 hours! Needless to say I was confused. Worry, anxiety, stress – they’re all the cause of it. After that I had sleeping problems for the rest of college,but only of the onset type, fueled mostly by worry and fear.
You said that this time your insomnia is different and is affecting your life more. That’s exactly my problem. Insomnia has changed its M.O., it’s waking me up too soon after I fall asleep easily and no ammount of calm and acceptance can change it.
I,too, have aged rapidly. I went from a too young looking 22-year old who can’t order a beer without showing my I.D. to a guy who’s lying about his age since I hate when everybody gasps when they hear I’m only 31, I guess I look 40.
But none of that really bothers me if I could get my old sleep back. When I get 6 hours or more (more only if I take Valium and if it works), I don’t really care about much else. I just want to feel at least somewhat rested.
Marie , if your insomnia lasts for only 3 months, then there is a really good chance it will go away just like it did once before. 3 months of suffering isn’t little by no means, but I wouldn’t classify you as a chronic insomniac just yet, I don’t care what the official terminology says! Hang in there, I wish you good luck. You will enjoy your husband, kids and friends soon, I’m sure.
finally, someone who can’t nap. Not that I would wish it on anyone, but as they say, misery loves company. 🙂
In all seriousness now, it’s good to know I’m not alone. I also wonder why we can’t nap, but I guess we are just wired this way. I’m sure it has something to do with the circadian rhythm and all that. In any case it’s not easy, the only silver lining is that it helps getting me to sleep in the evenings, I think. People choose sleep restriction, I live it. I also remember only a handful of times that I napped throughout my life. Because of it I had to stay awake on 15+ hours flights, 12+ hours train rides to the sea as a kid, while everyone else cut their flights short by snoozing away. Grr.
I haven’t tried meditation, but I have tried just laying down and resting. Sadly, it doesn’t help much. If I don’t drift away, which I can’t, I don’t rest. But I know meditation is more thatn that, so I might give it a go.
Thanks for your response. I think I will save it somewhere for the future , when I feel alone in this non-napping business again.
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I have considered trying other sleeping pills since Valium is losing its efficiency after all this time. Sorry for being a skeptic, but I don’t believe magnesium would do much. I do, however, believe some good exercise might help, but for now I’m just not finding the time.
I miss waking up with the birds, not before them, too. I also look pale, have bags under my eyes and I’m skinny except for the stomach. I’ve tried going to the gym in college,I didn’t know then how important sleep is for gaining muscle. Needless to say the results were not very impressive.December 2, 2019 at 4:26 pm in reply to: A night of no sleep and being unable to nap – a recepy for disaster #34227
Thank you, Marie,
You’re absoultely right. It’s anxiety, adrenaline and perhaps too much focus on sleep, a function that should just happen naturally. But when you get introduced to insomnia, you realize just how much your own mind can influence, interrupt and ultimately ruin such a simple thing. And then good luck not thinking about it. :/
And yes, it is all about getting your peace of mind back. For instance, I think much less about sleep than I used to, even with this constant early awakening. It takes a really bad night like the one I wrote about to get me really desperate again. And thankfully, thanks to the Internet, we have places like this to let off some steam.
I slept (passed out) for about 6.5-7 hours this night, needless to say I feel like a new man. I slept more than usual because I missed the entire night before. This night, I predict, I will get back to the usual 5. We’ll see. In any case, after a night with 0 sleep, you realize how much better any ammount of sleep is in comparison.
Did something happen that brought up your insomnia or did it just happen? I hope you get well soon.