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What you described is very normal indeed. I don’t think you need to change anything. Yes, people tend to fall asleep faster and sleep deeper during the initial phase of the night but as the sleep drive wanes because it is getting depleted the more sleep you are getting, then any further sleep eventually gets lighter, and is usually characterized by more frequent awakenings and more vivid dreams. This is entirely very normal! What isn’t normal or even healthy is the stuff you are expecting, ie, the more you sleep, the sleepier you become which is akin to getting hungrier the more you eat, does that make any sense to you?? So expect these episodes to happen every night, if I were you, I would just get up and use the toilet for a bit and then climb back to bed to rest, drop all expectations and the pressure to sleep, and eventually I would just doze off at some point. Good luck to you, don’t blame yourself and your body for not sleeping, because that’s usually a result of your body being already quite well-rested in the first place!
Insomnia is not an enemy you can defeat by showing weakness and fear at every turn of the way. You will keep getting it as long as the fear is still there. On the contrary, when you show resilience even in the face of weakness and accept whatever happens with an open and optimistic mind, you will do extremely well. Good luck.
You can’t stop what to think @dogacan. I think by being okay with thinking anything, you slowly start moving away from those thoughts.
“İf you dont believe me start analyzing how did your sleep was. Analyz the quality of your sleep and your sleep routine and see what happens. That does not mean your ability to sleep will lost of course but you will be able to sleep harder.”
Yes I do that sometimes when I wake up. I’ll wake up calculating mentally how many hours of sleep I got last night. Then come the next night, I go to bed, wondering how much I am going to get this time round. And, nope! Makes no difference whatsoever. Once I fall asleep, I completely forget all about it until I wake up 6,7 or very rarely 8 or whatever hours later. And this keeps repeating until I have lost count. Now I can’t even be bothered anymore, why should I?? It doesn’t make me sleep more nor make sleeping more difficult either! So it’s just wasting my time doing it and probably for anyone who thinks engaging in this exercise helps them, it’s probably useless as well. And if you think overanalyzing your sleep makes it more difficult, why do you keep doing it?
I answered this on the other thread. And it’s a resounding NO. Nothing you do or think about sleep can change it. It might affect a little bit and you may sleep a little less but it’s not a problem and you can still get by with whatever sleep your body is giving you at any time
Yup used to have it but not anymore. How long do you think you can escape by not sleeping? Everyone expects to sleep every night so do you want to keep fearing that every night for the rest of your life? That’s just not practical.
Hello @dogacan!
I’ll try to answer your other question here as well because they are essentially same. It doesn’t matter what you think or do to sleep, your body will still sleep regardless. So thinking or doing
a ton of stuff OR literally nothing about it achieves next to nothing. Your body is primed to eat, breathe, remove wastes and also sleep so thinking you are bad at all all these will never stop them from happening anyway. Let’s say you become convinced you need to eat 10,000 calories per day or breathe 500x/minute or “horrible things” are going to happen to your body, and you consciously keep trying to do it, did you think these will affect your body’s functioning a single bit?? Yes, you might gain a bit of weight or look weird to everybody
else but other than that, nope your body will function like normal. You’d have wasted your time and energy which would be much better to be focused elsewhere instead. Sleeping is a core bodily function that can never be lost, thinking you are bad at it will never cause it to lose that ability. Good luck.Hello and welcome to the forum!
I don’t understand your question well. It appears you are confused and if I asked you, does the answer to your question really matter, or is it really that important to have an answer, what will your reply be? Even if you found an answer, will that be the end then? Or will you then start having other questions? And it goes on and on and you end up in a vicious cycle, getting nowhere.The point is if you think you are getting the sleep and/or rest your body really needs, does it matter whether you are sleeping or resting? As an recovered insomniac, I am telling you quite point-blank that the answers to any questions your brain has about sleep is truly trivial and insignificant. The quest to seek an answer to everything about sleep is what keeps you stuck in it. Just learn to let go and live with it. Stop seeking and start living! Good luck to you.
Hello @Karin!
Welcome to this forum and can you elaborate on your situation? For most of us who recovered, insomnia is really not a disease, it is more of a phobia. Of not sleeping well. It is more a mental issue than a physical ailment. It is the fear of sleeping poorly that keeps you from sleeping. It’s losing sleep over sleep itself! Feel free to browse through the material here and I hope you find it useful. For people who recovered, we only do very simple things to cure it: Go to bed at consistent times, then just RELAX. CARE LESS. Your body will handle the rest for you. And THAT’S IT! Good luck. Disclaimer: Luck has nothing to do with any insomnia recovery, it is all about you and how you relate to yourself, or more specifically your thoughts towards sleep.
Regaining your natural sleeping ability comes from the confidence of doing nothing to sleep, which means you must quit taking pills and not to keep taking them because that action is what makes you stuck in it perpetually. Good luck.
Hello @lynnbet
It is not easy to share insights because what worked for me probably won’t for others. I wish I could plant the “cure” into everyone as a one-size-fits-all pill but it doesn’t quite work like that. Everyone is different and you have to find the context that works for you. But ultimately, it’s usually somewhere along the lines that you just become convinced there’s nothing wrong so the fear is really unwarranted. And yes, I still get that “tired but wired” thing when going to bed but it doesn’t bother me anymore, I kinda expect it now depending on how I feel during the day, if I was energetic all day until bedtime, I know I won’t be able be fall asleep immediately and that’s okay because I know I eventually do. I tell myself the reason I am awake is not because my body is broken but it’s because my body doesn’t need that sleep yet so it is probably already well-rested then. So if I am willing to wait it out and not struggle with it, the sleepiness will inevitably return. Good luck!
Have you ever wanted to find an item so badly but it always seems so elusive? Then when you focus your attention elsewhere, and stop looking for it, it starts showing up everywhere! LOL. Sleep is kinda like that. Stop chasing it, let it chase you! Chase the things you want to achieve in life, sleep will be following closely behind. On the contrary, when you start chasing sleep, it keeps moving further away. Achievement without any intention. You get it when you don’t want it. Good luck!
Great insight @LauraG7! My perspective on sleep is exactly like yours. Sleep is just NOT WORTH LOSING SLEEP OVER. Take care of everything else in your life EXCEPT sleep. To @Rubylight, good luck. You can do this too, because everyone here is cheering for you from the other side. The difference between success and failure is literally a very thin veil, because once the correct mindset is adopted, the push to get on the opposite end is almost effortless. Anyone can recover practically overnight if the mindset is correct. Anyone can be a normal sleeper or an insomniac, these two are basically two sides of the same coin. It’s like yin and yang, they’re both inside you already, you’re just only too focused on one side that you completely miss the other which has always been there all along. If you can forget about your insomnia, it basically disappears. This is the weirdest thing about it. Pay no attention to it, it’s no longer there. Best wishes to you.
