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As Chee implied, you can’t control whether or not you dream — that’s something your brain takes care of all by itself. The more you try to get involved in that process, the more you might be setting yourself up for a struggle.
I haven’t come across any studies that have found dreams create fatigue. Dreams usually occur during REM sleep, which occurs later in the night after the body has already generated all of the deepest and most restorative sleep.
I wonder if that fatigue might be associated with something else? Perhaps struggle? Perhaps what you might be doing during the day? Does it tend to change as the day progresses?
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What a wonderfully supportive post — thank you for that, @Ryan!
Welcome to the forum, @Rita. First of all, allow me to share that you are not alone. Others are experiencing sleep disruption and all the difficult thoughts that come with it alongside you. That burden and struggle is shared.
You mentioned that you’ve tried CBT-I. Can you tell us a bit more about that?
It sounds as though a lot of your struggle might be coming from your completely understandable attempts to fight or avoid nighttime wakefulness and all the difficult thoughts and feelings that often come with it. Since you can’t control any of that stuff, that might be setting you up for a struggle. I wonder if there might be an alternative approach to explore?
In terms of panic attacks, that’s not my area of expertise. However, I have read the book DARE by Barry McDonagh — and would recommend it. It’s also been recommended by a number of others here in the forum.
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First up, let me reassure you that you have not lost the ability to sleep — that’s just not possible!
As hiker mentioned, often the biggest issue with difficult thoughts and feelings is the struggle we engage in when we try to fight or avoid them — since we can never win that kind of battle (because nobody can control the human brain).
Your mind will always generate thoughts and feelings. Some will feel good, some won’t. Some will be useful, some won’t.
Thoughts and feelings don’t stop sleep from happening, but trying to fight or avoid them sure can — because then you’re going to war with your mind, and sleep is not likely to happen when you’re engaged in a battle, right?
PS: Your post was very detailed and coherent!
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Thank you for sharing your experience with worry — a feeling that can be quite unpleasant! Since it usually feels unpleasant we can often try to push it away. We can then get tangled up in a struggle, trying to fight or avoid worry (a normal human emotion) and that can consume all our energy and attention.
Worry doesn’t stop sleep from happening but trying to fight or avoid it sure can! I wonder if moving away from struggling with worry and allowing it to come and go as it pleases might be a useful alternative approach?
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You might want to experiment with not checking the time during the night and not estimating the duration of any nighttime wakefulness. Instead, consider allowing it to happen — give it permission to show up. Maybe see wakefulness as an opportunity to rest.
If that wakefulness feels really unpleasant and you find yourself struggling, then you might do something else instead — and, if you’d rather do something else in bed rather than getting out of bed, you might want to do just that!
Since sleep and wakefulness can’t be controlled, I think the true goal of stimulus control is simply to practice experiencing nighttime wakefulness in a more workable way — a way that involves less struggle.
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Have you encouraged your husband to get his snoring checked by a doctor? I wonder if that might be something worth exploring!
It sounds as though you might be under the impression that CBT-I will help you get rid of anxiety — and that might be the source of your struggle since trying to get rid of anxiety would be the same as trying to get rid of your heartbeat. For as long as you’re a living human being, you will have a heartbeat and you will experience anxiety!
Perhaps what might be useful is practicing a new approach toward anxiety — an approach that doesn’t involve trying to fight or avoid it and, as a result, getting tangled up in an exhausting struggle with it?
An approach that might involve acknowledging it when it shows up and even making space for it? It’s going to show up anyway and this way, you aren’t giving it every ounce of your attention and energy. Might that be useful, do you think?
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If you are a human being, you will experience anxiety — living a life trying to avoid anxiety would be a bit like trying to live a life without a heartbeat!
Anxiety is a symptom of your brain doing its job and looking out for you. Sometimes that anxiety is really helpful — for example, if a vampire knocks on your door you will feel anxious, not invite the vampire in for dinner, keep all your blood to yourself, and live. Sometimes it’s less helpful — for example, your brain might wonder what will happen if you don’t fall asleep.
The good news is, you always get to choose how to respond to anxiety. Often, the struggle happens when we try to fight or avoid it — because we just can’t control what the brain does (and we don’t need to).
I hope there’s something useful here!
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Welcome to the forum, Eibhlin!
What’s your cue to get out of bed at night, what do you do when you are out of bed, and what’s your cue to return to bed?
Oh, and while I am churning out all the questions, here’s another one: What’s your goal when you get up during the night?
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Thanks for sharing, Maeta! What’s the current approach you are taking now you’ve moved away from medication?
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Thanks for sharing that you just got started with sleep restriction! When you wake around 3:30 AM, why do you think you find it hard to get back to sleep?
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Thanks for sharing — both of you!
How are you getting on, SleepyKel? Have you been implementing any other changes besides the “no clock watching”?
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You can absolutely do both at the same time — I’ve worked with clients who have kept their medication the same while implementing changes, I’ve worked with clients who quit all medication before getting started, I’ve worked with clients who tapered-off while we worked together, I’ve worked with clients who didn’t make any medication changes until they felt ready to do so.
I don’t think it really matters at all — it’s a case of taking an approach that feels workable to you. And, of course, it’s important not to change your medication without talking to your doctor first!
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Hello Dani! Can you tell us a bit more about why you’re having a hard time wrapping your mind around the concept of a sleep window? I’d love to provide more clarity if I can!
In terms of it “working” I think that depends on your goal. If you implement a sleep window, what would your goal be?
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Welcome to the forum! May I ask why you are so keen to avoid the possibility of experiencing some anxiety? Have you discussed a potential tapering-off plan with your doctor?
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Thank you for sharing and for your kind words!
Quite often, doing things that matter and living your life regardless of how you feel and how you sleep is something a lot easier said than done!
Would you be willing to share how you were able to actually commit to making changes there — and whether that was an easy change to make, or whether it was actually quite challenging?
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