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Welcome to the forum, Mams!
It sounds as though all the things you’ve tried are things that we might not expect to prove helpful since they don’t usually get to the things that keep insomnia going — the behaviors we implement in an attempt to make sleep happen and the relationship we have with the difficult thoughts and feelings that come with insomnia.
So, with this in mind, it’s normal for insomnia to continue even after trying sleep hygiene, exercise, and meditation.
A starting point for a new approach might be my free two week insomnia sleep training course.
I hope this helps!
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Thank you for sharing! It was a pleasure to work with you!
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Welcome to the forum!
If a sleep window of 12:00 AM to 6:00 AM feels like a good fit for you, go for it!
I often like to think of the start of the sleep window as an earliest possible bedtime but if you are finding it almost impossible to stay awake in the hour before the sleep window begins, feel free to go to bed!
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There’s no evidence that melatonin is helpful for chronic insomnia — it’s another one of those things that we (totally understandably!) try in an effort to create a certain amount or type of sleep. And, as with all cases of insomnia, it’s all the effort that provides insomnia with the oxygen it needs to survive.
Effort to fall asleep.
Effort to stay asleep.
Effort to fall back to sleep.
Effort to feel a certain way.
Effort to fight or avoid certain thoughts.Without the effort, we have people who sleep just fine — as we can all find evidence for by asking someone without insomnia what they do to make sleep happen!
Best wishes for your telephone appointment; I hope it proves helpful!
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Would you like to share the specific techniques you’re starting to implement?
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Just to add to Scott’s comments, I wonder whether — when you look back on your life in 100 years — you’ll remember all the great nights of sleep you had or whether you’re more likely to remember all the rich and meaningful experiences that come with traveling to new places and socializing (even though they might also come with difficult thoughts and feelings, such as anxiety, as important things usually do)?
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Thanks for sharing! It’s great to hear that you are living a rich and meaningful life, even in the presence of insomnia. I think that might go to show that insomnia doesn’t prevent us from living a rich and meaningful life — our actions determine the kind of life we live. And, fortunately, we always have control over our actions (whereas we have no control over sleep and all the thoughts and feelings our brain generates as it does its job of looking out for us)!
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I think you can do whatever you like in bed as long as it’s pleasant and not a sleep effort. Whenever we do something in an attempt to make sleep happen (a sleep effort), we are trying to sleep — and when we try to sleep, sleep usually becomes a lot more difficult!
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If your brain is playing with you, perhaps you can play back, too? Turn all those thoughts and feelings it might be generating into colorful words, shapes, patterns — even cartoons? Perhaps give them different voices, silly names, etc. This way, you’re acknowledging them but they might be a bit less likely to overpower you!
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I’ve done an 8k (indoor) row 15 minutes before bed and slept just fine. I don’t really think this is something we need to be too concerned about!
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Sometimes it can be helpful to know that waking during the night is a normal part of sleep — often it only becomes problematic when we try to avoid it, try to make more sleep happen, put pressure on ourselves to fall back to sleep, or start trying to fight or avoid the difficult thoughts and feelings that might come with that wakefulness.
Sleep restriction doesn’t prevent nighttime wakefulness and it doesn’t make sleep happen. It’s really just a tool that helps to prevent us from “chasing” after sleep — from engaging in unhelpful sleep efforts such as going to bed before we are sleepy enough for sleep (because we really want sleep to happen) and staying in bed later after difficult nights.
In terms of that daytime exhaustion, does it tend to vary as the day progresses or in response to what you are doing?
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I think a helpful response can be to acknowledge what you are going through, to be kind to yourself, and then to redirect your focus onto the things you can control — the actions and behaviors that help create good conditions for sleep while also (and perhaps most importantly) engaging in daytime activities that keep you moving toward the life you want to live, even after difficult nights and even in the presence of the difficult thoughts and feelings that often come along for the ride.
When it comes to the medications you mentioned, the American Academy of Sleep Medicine (AASM) states the following:
We suggest that clinicians not use trazodone as a treatment for sleep onset or sleep maintenance insomnia (versus no treatment) in adults.
For Ambien (zolpidem), the AASM task force found “…weak evidence of efficacy in the treatment of sleep onset and maintenance insomnia..” although “…benefits were deemed to marginally outweigh harms.”.
The AASM also states:
We recommend that clinicians use multicomponent cognitive behavioral therapy for insomnia for the treatment of chronic insomnia disorder in adults.
With that being said, we are all different — there’s no one-size-fits-all approach here.
We all need to do whatever is right for us.
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We always have the choice over whether we fight! I think we set ourselves up for less of a battle and more of an approach of acceptance when we start by acknowledging everything we are thinking and feeling. Naming the thoughts and feelings. Noticing if (and where) we feel them in our body. Observing all of this, making space for it to exist, and allowing it to come and go as it pleases.
Traditional CBT-I does tend to encourage evaluating, challenging, and even trying to change our thoughts — but I think that can end up being quite distracting. We can end up tangled up in a struggle with our mind, trying to alter our thoughts when all that energy might be better used living the kind of life we want to live instead!
We are all different, though — there’s no one-site-fits-all approach, so I’d simply suggest exploring whichever option you feel would be most workable for you!
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Yes, you got it with the extra questions! You might even find it helpful to add another box where you write in 1-3 things that you are feeling grateful for — a “gratitude” log, so to speak.
Since wakefulness is a normal part of sleep, there’s no need to do anything when you are awake in bed at night. You might simply give yourself permission to experience some rest.
If that wakefulness feels really unpleasant, you have the opportunity to do something more pleasant instead. That activity might be something you do in bed or it might be something you do out of bed.
I hope there’s something useful here!
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Thank you for the opportunity go into a bit more detail on this subject! I think our opinions on this are actually not all that different!
First, I think we need to emphasize that there’s a distinction between short-term “thought control” and long-term “thought control”.
So, for example, if we feel really worried we might distract ourselves by doing something else and then feel less worried. If we feel really stressed we might have a few alcoholic drinks and then feel less stressed.
Over the longer term though, that worry and that stress is going to come back.
So, what do we do then? Engage in furious and endless distraction? Drink more and more alcohol?
As human beings, we are always going to experience the full range of human thoughts, feelings, and emotions.
Some feel good. Some don’t. Some are helpful. Some aren’t.
Since difficult thoughts and feelings don’t feel good, it’s only natural that we don’t want to experience them. So, we often try to fight or avoid them.
It’s when we engage in this battle that we are at risk of getting “hooked” by all those difficult thoughts and feelings — to get jerked around by them, distracted by them, consumed by them.
The end result is we can end up moving away from the life we want to live as we try to fight or avoid all those unpleasant and difficult thoughts and feelings.
A more workable approach might be withdrawing from that battle with the mind.
Not trying to control our thoughts and feelings.
Allowing difficult thoughts and feelings to show up, hang out, come and go as they please.
Instead of getting tangled up in a battle with them, maybe we can acknowledge their presence instead. And, in their presence, refocus our attention on whatever is most useful for the task at hand.
With practice, we might start to become more aware of when we are getting hooked by our thoughts and feelings — and we might become more skilled in unhooking from them, and continuing to move toward the life we want to live, even in their presence.
So, as you suggested in your post, while our thoughts are generally unstoppable, we always have control over our response — and we can respond in a way that’s workable and helpful or we can respond in a way that’s not very workable and not very helpful over the long term.
With all this in mind, I can’t think of many things more empowering than being able to more effectively respond to our thoughts and feelings and not feel totally controlled by them!
Please let me know if this helps clarify things!
—If you are ready to stop struggling with insomnia you can enroll in the online insomnia coaching course right now! If you would prefer ongoing phone or video coaching calls as part of a powerful three month program that will help you reclaim your life from insomnia, consider applying for the Insomnia Mastery program.
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